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Lauren
01-12-2008, 06:12 PM
Well, Izzy and I met with the flyball trainer last night, this is going to be long, so I won't hold it against you if you give up and don't read it, LOL!

First I got lost It was so scary, the place is 45 minutes from where I live, in a strange place, it was dark out, and I was trying to navigate and drive at the same time. I ended up in the ghetto, I just drove around until I spotted a hair salon and got directions. Then I got lost with their directions and ended up parking outside of the bar/legion to call the trainer, only to find out I had forgotten the number. I knew I had called her on my cell a few days ago, so I went back through and called every number I didn't recognize (talked to a lot of people I didn't know! LOL) before I got her. Turns out, the training facility is attached to the Legion! Yippee, pure coincodence!

So I drive around back and while I was driving I realized that I hadn't heard a peep from Izzy since I'd asked for directions at the salon and I called her name...no response. All I could think was that somehow she had died or hurt herself or something aweful like that (I don't know how she would do any of those, but I wasn't thinking straight), so I started flipping out and I was shaking so hard I could barely get the key in the slot to open the back and when I did I still didn't hear anything (usually she's up and moving when I open the back door) so I throw open the zipper on her crate...and out pops her little head, happy as a clam. I've never been that scared in my life.

At this point I was convinced the whole night was going to be a disaster because I was so not in a good state of mind (I was still shaking for like the first 20 minutes we were there, I think I was in shock) and Izzy usually picks right up on those things and gets wigged out too. So we get out, take a potty break and go in the training building.

Met with the trainer, talked, she explained what we were going to do, etc. Then she evaluated Izzy in a strange environment. She said that Izzy wasn't going full tilt to check everything out, and that she was stretching to sniff new objects and stuff but that her weight was foreward and she was moving foreward which was a good sign, she was happy with that.

Then it was time to get out one of her dogs (all shelties):

First she got out her middle(?) dog (not alpha or omega), Angel, and had me walk Izzy in circles around her and the dog. Izzy's eyes were glued to me and she didn't even look at Angel, so we reversed it and Izzy sat in the middle while she and Angel circled and Izzy's eyes still stayed glued to me (she commented on how great Izzy's focus was, WOOT!). Then she let Angel approach Izzy and when she got about two feet away Izzy growled, Angel backed off (not a scared, tail tucking run away, just a calm confident walk away) and she explained that Izzy was telling Angel she wanted space and Angel was fine with that.

Then she brought out Libby (omega) and we did the same circle thing and both dogs were fine. She let Libby approach and again at about 2 feet Izzy growled and Libby backed off. Then she held Libby still and had Izzy come and sniff her and Libby went submissive. Then we reversed that and I held Izzy and she let Libby come to sniff Izzy (one of Izzy's main issues is that she doesn't like other dogs sniffing her backside at all), and Izzy really growled. The trainer said that her sensativity could be because of Frodo attacking her back legs when they play (when he does this Izzy immediately stops the play), or it could be a herding thing where she doesn't want the other dogs behind her.

Then she got out Bella (alpha) and told me that if Bella thought Izzy was out of line that she might correct her, so of course I got worried. Anywho, we did the circle thing both ways, both dogs were fine, she let Bella approach and again at 2 feet she growled and Bella just let her alone like the other dogs had. She also had me take Bella and her take Izzy to see if Izzy was guarding me at all, but when I let Bella approach it was still 2 feet and growl, so she's not guarding me. Then Izzy did her trademark behavior and flopped on her back at the trainers feet for bellyrubs , and the trainer was really happy about that because she said if Izzy wasn't feeling completely safe and relaxed she never would have put herself in such a vulnerable position.

Then she asked me if I would feel comfortable if she let all of her dogs out, I said it was fine, I was actually feeling really good about the whole situation, Izzy didn't seem to be stressed at all, actually quite relaxed. So she let them out and they all went bouncing and playing around (notmal dog play) and Izzy stuck right by my side just watching them. The trainer commented on how Izzy want's to be right by me in case anything happened. Then after a while I let Izzy off leash while the other dogs were playing and she went off to investigate while the other dogs played, if they got within the two feet of her she would growl and they would calmly move out of her zone and continue to play. Once they even knocked into her and she didn't do anything, just continued to go about her business. She said she would have liked to have seen Izzy try and join in with the play, but if Izzy wasn't ready for that yet then it was fine with her.

Then she had treats and was walking around the facility and Izzy was following her with the rest of the dogs and she was focused on the trainer and didn't even growl once at the other dogs, she wasn't extremely close to them, but I'm pretty sure there was a few times where she was closer than 2 feet.

Then she got some treats and was taking turns feeding them treats and Izzy was doing great with waiting her turn with the other dogs, then she got high value treats and did the same thing, and Izzy was fine again. Then she told her dogs to down and Izzy dropped right into a perfect down along with them and waited her turn while her butt wiggled, lol
The trainer was like "Lauren, do you see your dog?!" I was SO proud

Then she gave me the treats and I did the same thing with dishing out the treats and everything was great again, Izzy waited her turn with the other dogs like a champ. She said if Izzy was aggressive she never would have waited her turn around the other dogs with such high value treats, escpecially with the way the other dogs were right over her head.

She put her dogs away then and showed me how to build ball drive with Izzy (she even showed me her dog Angel who was like Izzy when they started but now gets excited for the ball, chases the ball, picks it up and will carry it for three steps back before dropping it), and worked with the ball and Izzy for a little bit. Then she showed me how to start cone work for flyball with Izzy and we tested Izzy and found out she is left pawed . She also taught me how to switch Izzy from back brain to front brain. My homework is to work on ball drive, the cones and the back/front brain exercises. Yea, that's right, WE ARE IN! Wahoo!

She said she'd love to have Izzy come and she thinks she will be absolutely fine, that they only have stable dogs in the class and they usually work with one dog at a time while the others are waiting in their crates. The only thing we might have trouble with would be the pass at the start of the lane when the dogs run, but that we'd work on that when we get to it. She said they also have "free time" at the end of the classes where the dogs are all off leash, I think that will be good for Izzy, maybe she can pick up on how to interact with other dogs. She said sometimes she worries about body structure for flyball with corgis and that most corgis she sees are overweight, but that Izzy looks great and she thinks I've done really well with her and that she'll be a great dog to work with *beams* and that she'd make a great height dog.

Then she gave me easier directions home and we had no problem. All in all we spent about 2 hours there :SHOCKED:

One thing that really stuck with me was when she said "There's no reason why Izzy should have to sniff noses with every dog on the street or at an event anymore than you have to shake hands with every person at a party or introduce yourself to every person you see on the street." Or something like that.

*gasps for breath*
THANK YOU FOR READING!

Merlincorgi
01-12-2008, 06:34 PM
Sounds like Izzy did really good and that you have stumbled into a knowlegdable trainer. Very neat! I think flyball would be a lot of fun.. .best luck!

Kassie
01-12-2008, 06:39 PM
That's great, Lauren! Sounds like you're in for some fun!:BIGGRIN"

Lauren
01-12-2008, 06:51 PM
Thanks guys! I know it's going to be a ton of fun! We start Feb. 22, I don't think I can wait that long! :ARG:

The Chipmunk's Mom
01-12-2008, 06:58 PM
That is wonderful news and the thread didn't seem long at all it was so interesting of a read. Good work

Jespah
01-12-2008, 07:16 PM
Hooray Lauren!!! For finding your way and not giving up - and I don't just mean with the location.

Excellent description of all of the testing. I can tell that Izzy is much different than Rupert. I think her "issues" will be far easier to work with and that the flyball is going to be great for her general bahaivior and confidence. She may end up showing Mr. Frodo a thing or two!

It's obvious that this woman certainly knows her dog behavior and tested Izzy in a very safe manner. Working her way up to the alpha and ensuring that Izzy was comfortable along the way must have made you feel safe as well.

One question as to physical health, have you spoken with your vet in regards to Izzy doing flyball? I'm just curious as the height isn't what I'm thinking of, but rather the angle of the shoulders and her chest when they bang into the board to grab the ball? I've never seen a Corgi do flyball, and I was wondering.

Either way, you should be proud of yourself for the driving out there, for being brave and trusting Izzy and yourself to get through the testing and for being dedicated enough to find something that will help her. From your description of her watching you during the various tests, it sounds like Izzy is pretty well set and has a bright future ahead of her.

Way to go kiddo!!! +UROCK+

(Now my response is long too!!)

Deb

Lauren
01-12-2008, 07:51 PM
That is wonderful news and the thread didn't seem long at all it was so interesting of a read. Good work
Thanks, I didn't even take writing style into consideration when I wrote it, I just rambled, I'm glad you thought it was interesting! :)

One question as to physical health, have you spoken with your vet in regards to Izzy doing flyball? I'm just curious as the height isn't what I'm thinking of, but rather the angle of the shoulders and her chest when they bang into the board to grab the ball? I've never seen a Corgi do flyball, and I was wondering.
The trainer was looking at her structure and said she looked sound, but I am going to take her to the vet before we start. I want to have her hips/elbows x-rayed to make sure she doesn't have any signs of hip dysplasia or elbow dysplasia and have them do a general physical for things that can't be seen from just looking. Don't worry, I'm covering all my bases. :BIGGRIN"
The way they train the dog to get the ball off of the box is in a swimmers turn fashion and it takes the majority of the stress off the joints because they aren't hitting in the box and coming to a jarring halt, it's a constant movement, which is why the trainer wanted to know whether she was left/right pawed because that's the way she will turn on the box (from what I understand). I've seen a lot of dogs that wear sports wrap on their joints during flyball, and I'm assuming that helps with the shock of hitting the box as well.
Izzy's health is definitally the most important aspect of all this, if we go to the vets and she isn't sound, I'll have no problem putting flyball off until I have a dog that's ready for it. :SMILE:

(Now my response is long too!!)

Never!


Thanks Deb, that all means a lot to me :CUTE:

taflar
01-12-2008, 07:58 PM
The trainer was looking at her structure and said she looked sound, but I am going to take her to the vet before we start. I want to have her hips/elbows x-rayed to make sure she doesn't have any signs of hip dysplasia or elbow dysplasia and have them do a general physical for things that can't be seen from just looking. Don't worry, I'm covering all my bases.

Remember that most vets can't tell if a corgi has dysplasia or not. Many think all corgi hips look bad. If you're going to have her hips x rayed, send the x rays to the OFA for an official rating and second opinion.

Peggy

Jespah
01-12-2008, 08:03 PM
Good for you for getting her Xrayed - I think that if you can afford it, and the vet agrees, maybe a shoulder Xray is a good idea - it will give you a baseline- then if she had any problems in the future you'd have a starting point - especially if your vet hasn't got lots of Corgi or dwarf dog experience.

Thanks for explaining the turn - I'm not very versed in flyball - interesting, we will all be so excited to hear of Izzy's progress and future successes.

And Lauren, anyone who has ever read any of your threads or posts knows you only have the physical and mental health and well being of your dogs as your number 1 priority.

Although, Frodo's short lived career as a tennis player did seem a bit odd. :EEK: :WINK:

Deb

Lauren
01-12-2008, 08:04 PM
Remember that most vets can't tell if a corgi has dysplasia or not. Many think all corgi hips look bad. If you're going to have her hips x rayed, send the x rays to the OFA for an official rating and second opinion.
Thanks for the tip, will do!
Would I ask the vet to send them, or would I send them myself?
Also, I would like them to be posted on the OFA website, would I have to ask for that, or is it done by OFA?
I also want Frodo's posted on OFA, can I send them together?

Also, if you don't mind all my questions +EMBARRASED+, do you have any suggestions as to what I should ask the vet to look at in preperation for a dog sport?

TIA :SMILE:

ZdogZ
01-12-2008, 08:09 PM
Lauren - That sounds like a lot of fun. I'm glad that you are pleased with the trainer and with Izzy. Can't wait to hear more!

taflar
01-12-2008, 08:12 PM
Thanks for the tip, will do!
Would I ask the vet to send them, or would I send them myself?

Depends on your vet. Some send them in and some let you do it.

Also, I would like them to be posted on the OFA website, would I have to ask for that, or is it done by OFA?

They don't post the x rays but will post the results if your dog is microchipped or tattooed. Needs some sort of permant ID.

I also want Frodo's posted on OFA, can I send them together?

Yup, the x rays should be identified as to who's they are. Take the dogs reg. papers with you, in case your vet sends them in. You'll need he info on the papers.

Also, if you don't mind all my questions +EMBARRASED+, do you have any suggestions as to what I should ask the vet to look at in preperation for a dog sport?


Well, IMO, someone in conformation would have a better idea of the correct structure for the breed. Most vets should (hopfully) know bone structure, but I'm not sure they know what's correct for each breed of dog. And well, I wouldn't expect them to.

Now a vet who shows, if you can find one, would have a better idea of what you're asking.

I think an evalutation from someone who shows and/or does preformance events with their corgis would be a better person to ask.

As for your vet, just any signs of arthritis, disk/spinal, heart murmers, things like that, would probably be what you'd want your vet to rule out.

I might be able to recommend someone in your area to talk to and have them look at your dog if you'd like.

Peggy

Lauren
01-12-2008, 08:14 PM
Thanks for explaining the turn - I'm not very versed in flyball - interesting, we will all be so excited to hear of Izzy's progress and future successes.
I was actually toying with the idea of starting a training blog, to chart our progress and document any problems we may encounter. Not to mention a place to shamelessly post dozens of pictures :BIGGRIN"

Good for you for getting her Xrayed - I think that if you can afford it, and the vet agrees, maybe a shoulder Xray is a good idea - it will give you a baseline- then if she had any problems in the future you'd have a starting point - especially if your vet hasn't got lots of Corgi or dwarf dog experience.
I definitally want to get shoulders done, mainly because I think that's the part of a flyball dog that takes the shock of the box, even if it is reduced a little by a correct turn.
I know there's a vet on the east coast somewhere who specializes in the dwarf breeds in sports (I heard of him from someone who's corgi tore their ACL during agility). I heard of him quite a while ago and I forget what his name is/where he is located, but if I can find his info I'd like to get her in with him.

Although, Frodo's short lived career as a tennis player did seem a bit odd.
ROFL!! :BIGLAUGH:
Bad case of tennis elbow knocked him out pretty quick :WINK:

Lauren
01-12-2008, 08:19 PM
Thanks Peggy, I'll keep all that in mind!

My dogs don't have either microchips or tattoos. How big of a procedure is it to get a dog microchipped as adults? I've been thinking about having it done because my guys don't wear tags on their house collars, but if they slip out they don't have identification on them.

I might be able to recommend someone in your area to talk to and have them look at your dog if you'd like.
That would be great!

Now a vet who shows, if you can find one, would have a better idea of what you're asking.
I know a vet who shows/works dobermans, but I'm thinking that would be a whole different ball game.

Lauren
01-12-2008, 08:20 PM
Thanks Kristi! :SMILE:

taflar
01-12-2008, 08:34 PM
Thanks Peggy, I'll keep all that in mind!

My dogs don't have either microchips or tattoos. How big of a procedure is it to get a dog microchipped as adults? I've been thinking about having it done because my guys don't wear tags on their house collars, but if they slip out they don't have identification on them.

No different than with puppies.

Are you anywhere near Landenberg? There's a breeder there who both shows and does the preformance stuff with corgis. She could probably help you with evaluations.

Peggy

corgiland
01-12-2008, 11:25 PM
Good going, Lauren & Izzy!

That is too bad that you had such an experience getting there...but glad that it went well for you after.........the best of luck!

MissGambler's+Mojo'sMommy
01-12-2008, 11:50 PM
I had the same thought as Peggy, see if you can find a vet with personal experience with showing/agility, they will have great tips for what to watch for, and what not to do since you are (rightly) concerned about health problems that may occur. I would find a vet with epperience if it were me, it would put my mind at ease. I really enjoyed your post Lauren, and you made me remember something I heard many years ago, and it concerns children, but can be applied to dogs, and that is not to force a child on every Tom, Dick, or Great Aunt Mary. They don't have to kiss or be kissed by everyone, let the child choose when and who they go to, and let them know that they have a comfort zone and they decide who enters it. I believe that, it makes sense, and it's sort of what your trainer told you. Good luck and keep us posted, I look forward to following your progress.

Jespah
01-13-2008, 08:23 AM
Lauren we would love it if you start a training blog here in the "Blue Ribbon Club" forum. It will be a good record for you as well as an excellent reference for others who may be interested in becoming involved or just plain interested.

Microchips are quickly inserted with a needle - a quick pinch/ouch and they are done.
I know our city owned shelters often have a free microchipping day - so you might want to look out for that sort of thing.

Deb

Lauren
01-13-2008, 02:36 PM
Are you anywhere near Landenberg? There's a breeder there who both shows and does the preformance stuff with corgis. She could probably help you with evaluations.
Are you talking about Susan Strickland? If so, Honeyfox Johnny Angel is Izzy and Frodo's sire. :BIGGRIN" (and with the exception of a shorter neck and different ear set, they look like twins)
I've thought about contacting her before, but never have, I can PM you with more info as to why if you'd like.

Thanks Corgiland! :SMILE:

I believe that, it makes sense, and it's sort of what your trainer told you.
Yes, that's pretty much exactly what she was talking about (though with dogs of course)!

Lauren we would love it if you start a training blog here in the "Blue Ribbon Club" forum. It will be a good record for you as well as an excellent reference for others who may be interested in becoming involved or just plain interested.
Thanks, I think I just might do that! :CUTE:

MVons
01-13-2008, 04:23 PM
Lauren thanks so much for taking the time to do your post. I found it fascinating to read how a trainer can test a dog. Glad it was a positive experience. Even if getting there wasn't. Too bad the trainer didn't tell you it was in back, I have the hardest time finding places that are behind a business.

Lauren
01-13-2008, 04:36 PM
Lauren thanks so much for taking the time to do your post. I found it fascinating to read how a trainer can test a dog.
Your welcome (I was worried nobody would want to read it) :BIGGRIN"
I know she did more with us and said more important things, but I can't remember them! I should have taken a notebook :ROLLEYES

Too bad the trainer didn't tell you it was in back, I have the hardest time finding places that are behind a business.
Parking in front of the Legion was pure coincodence, I didn't even know where the heck I was, lol.

taflar
01-13-2008, 04:54 PM
Are you talking about Susan Strickland? If so, Honeyfox Johnny Angel is Izzy and Frodo's sire. :BIGGRIN" (and with the exception of a shorter neck and different ear set, they look like twins)
I've thought about contacting her before, but never have, I can PM you with more info as to why if you'd like.

Yup, that's who I was thinking of. I'd suggest contacting her and asking if she'd evaluate him for you.

Peggy

mtoy
01-13-2008, 05:09 PM
I'm so glad you finally made it there - how interesting it sounds! I'd love to see how this all plays out. I wish I knew someone like that around here. I'm sure they exists, I'll just have to dig for them I guess.

manymuddypaws
01-14-2008, 07:11 AM
that's great that Izzy gets to play! I think it will make a world of difference to her. Quite often dogsports are great ways to build confidence. And your trainer sounds like she really gets it. It is really easy to create a blog on blogger.com. I can help you if you need :o)

Lauren
01-14-2008, 01:08 PM
It is really easy to create a blog on blogger.com.
That's what I think I'm going to do, though I'd still be more than willing to start a thread on here to post my logs as well!

With a little help from a friend, I think my blog on blogger.com is going to be called Izzitflyingyet? :CUTE:

Jespah
01-14-2008, 01:16 PM
If it's just a matter of cut and paste, and you don't mind, we'd love to have the posts here as well. I often forget that folks have blogs or info on other sites and I miss out. (I check your sites out Amanda and Artos when I have time).

Izzsheflyingyet???

Deb

dcole
01-14-2008, 02:23 PM
Great posts, Lauren, and I'd also look forward to reading Izzy's training blog! :BIGGRIN"

Lauren
01-14-2008, 02:51 PM
If it's just a matter of cut and paste, and you don't mind, we'd love to have the posts here as well. I often forget that folks have blogs or info on other sites and I miss out.
Yayy! I wouldn't mind just doing it here, but I have other internet dog friends who want to read it as well :)

Great posts, Lauren, and I'd also look forward to reading Izzy's training blog!
Thanks! :SMILE:

Jespah
01-14-2008, 03:12 PM
Yayy! I wouldn't mind just doing it here, but I have other internet dog friends who want to read it as well :)

Thanks! :SMILE:

What they don't all want to become members?? :WINK: As long it isn't extra work, then super - you can help the whole world ths way!

Lauren
01-14-2008, 03:43 PM
What they don't all want to become members??
I forbid it! Then they will all want corgis and I might not have the cutest dogs on the other forums I'm on anymore :LAUGH: :WINK:

As long it isn't extra work, then super - you can help the whole world ths way!
Well, not quite sure about the whole world bit, :LAUGH:, but I don't think it'll be any work at all to post it both places :)

Fluffypants
01-15-2008, 09:00 AM
That's fabulous Lauren! I'll bet you drove home on Cloud 9! And thanks for posting all about it. I look forward to reading more about your flyball experiences. It looks like so much fun!!!!