Tri Color Puppy Find

[ColColt]

I just received a call at work from my ex-wife that somoeone has four " Pembroke Corgis" that are five weeks old-three males and one female, have their tails bobbed already and are all tri-color.

I don't know of any breeders around here and don't know where this woman got them or if she indeed is a breeder herself. I'm not sure for myself I could handle a puppy being gone for ten hours a day. Maybe Thought Five or six weeks is a bit too early to separate them I think.

[ColColt]

I think I'll call later to find out a little more on this.

[The Chipmunk's Mom]

Colcolt:

If this lady is who I am thinking of, I have talked with her and wasn't impressed. Chip & Dale's breeder is out of KY. There are breeders in your area and beyond. PLEASE be very careful. I will PM you tonight

[ColColt]

I couldn't talk Margie into gong to see them. She told me she just couldn't for now since Katie has only been gone a bit less than five months and she still grieves.

I found it odd that I was told that this lady wouldn't accept checks...red flag?

[The Chipmunk's Mom]

I wouldn't think that is odd - she may have gotten bitten before and then again, I would wonder. I have sent an email as inquiring minds want to know. :SPINNY:

[CorgiMum]

Colcolt:

If this lady is who I am thinking of, I have talked with her and wasn't impressed. Chip & Dale's breeder is out of KY. There are breeders in your area and beyond. PLEASE be very careful. I will PM you tonight

I agree 100% with Bonnie David. It would be a much safer idea to research breeders, rather than specific puppies that you find out about that are for sale.

I am only talking about about what I know to be true up here, but no reputable breeder, of any dogs would be advertising to sell puppies.

Corgis especially, the breeders have waiting lists, and the perspective purchasers are screened, thoroughly. If you are not asked detailed questions by a breeder, I would not be dealing with them, IMO. I'm curious, did the breeder bring up the form of payment?

Thinking back, I was 'grilled' my Monty's breeder, much later I realized why. She cared where here pups where going to live, who was going to care for them & what kind of a life they were going to have. I also found out that she and her husband had been breeding for over 32 years, and their litters had produced at that time, more of the top corgis here than anyone. Very reputable breeding.

While we were on the waiting list for Monty, I happened to see a corgi pup in a huge shopping mall pet store. It didn't look well, and at that time I was not familiar with what a puppy mill was. My husband said no to me having that pup. I knew that it would be wrong to buy her. I still think about her, but I know that I did the right thing, not perpetuating the puppy mill circle.

As Bonnie has said, please be very careful.

[ColColt]

I just got in and decided to call this lady about her puppies myself. She told me basically the same info I was told earlier but, I asked her if they had their Parvo or distemper shots yet and she said no. I also asked if she knew anything about their parents such as their health, OFA rating on their hips and other heath questions. She had no idea what OFA was but did say she had the Mom and Dad as well as the "grandparents" with them. She new nothing of what hip displasia was when I told her about 16% of Corgis had this to one degree or the other.

I asked about their tails and she said they had been bobbed with they were just a couple of days old. I asked about the parents being affected with Von Willebrand's disease and she drew a blank on that as well.

She did concede to meeting me if I had problems finding their place, which I probably would. I'm very tempted to go see them Fri-Saturday but, I know I spend way too much time away from home to have a 7 seek old puppy having to be away about eleven hours a day.



I think seven weeks is too early to be separating them from each other and her Mom especially. That's where they get their early training and need to be with siblings a little longer, IMO. I just don't know about this.

I'm curious, did the breeder bring up the form of payment?

I think it was in the paper, Barbara.

[The Chipmunk's Mom]

David:

If you are considering buying a puppy from this lady, I would definitely go look at them and take a good luck at the parents and grandparents. Don't just look, you want to touch and feel them all over while you are petting these dogs, check their ears and skin for anything that looks suspicious. Black or dark brown ear wax, fleas and ticks, open sores of any kind and also check the puppies mouths really good for an overbite. Look inside their mouths and their gums should be nice and pink and have a healthy looking little tummy but not potgutted that could be an indication of worms. Watch how they walk and interact with each other. Check their eyes for drainage or redness. Look to see how they are cared for and expect to see their living quarters and the parents and grandparents living quarters. Ask why no shots or worming has been given. Ask how often the mother is bred, how old she is. Also ask her what she does with her breeding dogs when they are too old to breed. Make sure you at least get a health guarantee for the first vet exam and immediately take the pup to the vet's if you do decide to get one. Count her dogs and ask what type of dog food she feeds. Sorry if I am getting carried away.

[bunnybutts]

David,

You know all the ins & outs by now on good breeding... common sense goes a long way. If you do decide to take one of the puppies ask if you can leave it with them till 10 weeks so it will get the socialization it needs from the mother. If the owner bulks and wants the puppys out of there I would say that's a big red flag.

Let us know how things progress

[ColColt]

I would love to go see the pups and see what Mom and Dad look like but, puppies require a lot more attention and training than what I can currently give. The good thing about a pup at my age is that there's a good possibility I wouldn't have to agonize over having to euthanize him/her as they would probably outlive me. I haven't had a puppy since my Samoyed back in the '70's and think I would better be fitted with one a bit older that two months old.

I didn't have that warm, fuzzy feeling talking with that lady today and felt she should know more than she did and could have volunteered more info than was given. It's like Barbara said, a respectful breeder shouldn't have to advertise in the town's paper. Moreover, she asked me no questions at all. I think they're just wanting to get rid of them.

You still have mixed feelings as I'd love to hold one of them in my arms and play with them but, I know I'd get attached real quickly and may do something foolish. I have to look after the welfare of the puppy and know the days it will spend alone for many hours and I just wouldn't want to put one so young through that...it's hard not to want one, however.

[Jespah]

Oh David - I think your heart is in a good place, but this doesn't sound like a good idea to me. This "breeder" is obviously not breeding for any other purpose than to make money. I know that you will make a wonderful CorgiDad to a dog someday - and maybe sooner than later. I see two big problems here - the health and genetics of these pups and of you caring for a tiny pup with your job right now.

I hope that you will think about this and not go and look and them - hearts tend to win over minds when little pups are involved. I bet there could be a wonderful dog that isn't quite so young that needs a great home out there that you could rescue and he or she could rescue you right back.

Deb

[ColColt]

I think we must have hit the submit button at the same time, Deb!!(see #10) You echo my feelings about this. This woman said she wasn't a breeder so what else could you think? I don't think it's a good idea either. (turns away sadly).

When the time comes, I know Debbie could help and I would trust her judgment implicitly.

[Dillydoodle]

We rescued Gus- I was going to get a puppy from the breeder that I got Dillon from, but i heard about Gus... Bringing Gus home instead of a puppy was the best decision ever...he is loving , sweet, and fit right into our home. He appreciates individual attention he gets and is so happy... We love him so much!

If you do end up deciding to get a puppy , please take your time chosing the right breeder...
Emilie

[MrsGrace]

We rescued Gus- I was going to get a puppy from the breeder that I got Dillon from, but i heard about Gus... Bringing Gus home instead of a puppy was the best decision ever...he is loving , sweet, and fit right into our home. He appreciates individual attention he gets and is so happy... We love him so much!

If you do end up deciding to get a puppy , please take your time chosing the right breeder...
Emilie

Or maybe a rescue pup? Gus sounds like a doll. +WUBCLUB+

[ColColt]

Gus is a sweetheart too, Emily. I remember when you got him I wondered how he and Dillon would get along-both being boys but, I guess that relationship didn't take long to mold.:SMILE: I'm happy for you.

As I said earlier, it's not that I wouldn't want a puppy as there's nothing like having one from early on and grow with them but, not having the proper amount of time to give him or her, I would be doing them a great injustice. Perhaps a Corgi between say, six months and a couple of two or three years old at best would be a better bet. Once thing is certain, they wouldn't be lacking for love and attention. they would probably end up being a spoiled little brat after a few months but, I can deal with that just to have their love, company and companionship...nothing better.

I go to bed each night looking through my four or so books on Corgis looking at the pictures of pups and think how great it would be to have one of those two month old furballs around. Then I read stories in "Everything Corgi" about some of the rescues and it's heart rendering but,it's also heart warming to see where one came from and what he has afterwards and how far he's came...thrills my soul to read happy endings!

[The Chipmunk's Mom]

David:

We just need to pray about your dilemma and it will all work out for you. :SMILE:

[ColColt]

I know it will, Bonnie...thanks. Getting my bedtime-Nite all!!

[sutulu]

When I was looking for Tucker, he was my first dog, many breeders didn't want any part of me since I worked full time, lived alone, had never had a dog, etc.

I remember reading there were pups available in NJ. I called the number, asked the woman who answered the phone the typical questions..... "what can you tell me about the parents?". The answer was this woman gets a litter of puppies from somewhere in the midwest, she sells the puppies, then she gets more to sell. She knew nothing about the breed, parents, where they even came from.....

I was desparate but not that desperate!

[Jespah]

I do hope you know that we all have your best interest at heart here David. I really, really feel that you and a young rescue dog are the right thing - I can see it and I know you would be the best darn thing for a dog like that and he for you.

I'd trust Debbie too!

Deb

[bunnybutts]

"NO:": dont go see the puppies... you are a marshmallow in Tom Seleck clothes!
:COOL: follow your head not your heart - Spike is out there somewhere - he won't mind waiting a few more months

maybe we can kill some time by having a name David's corgi contest - always one of my favorite things to do :BIGGRIN"

male
Spike
Killer
Skipper
Little Buddy

female
Ginger
Marianne
Lucy
Ethel

[MVons]

David, don't torture yourself by seeing the puppies. I agree with your concern that 10 hours away is too much for a puppy.

We got our last dog (1st dog for us being married) at 6 weeks old. Looking back that was too young. I wouldn't want one younger than 8 weeks. This go round we are happy with the 10 weeks of the 5 hour drive.

Trust your subconscious or what do you call it, the voice in your head that makes you hesitate. You are feeling concerns that are very valid. Compare that to the feeling of complete confidence in the breeder, the age of the dog, etc. I speak from my own experience in looking at breeders on the internet and just had a few concerns that I decided not to compromise on at all.

If you are going to move, it is easier to pack, etc. without a dog worrying about the move.

How is the house hunting near your sister?

Merrie

[ColColt]

When I was looking for Tucker, he was my first dog, many breeders didn't want any part of me since I worked full time, lived alone, had never had a dog, etc.

she asked me no questions at all, Susan but; I believe this is a similar scenario as you mentioned. I don't know that for sure since she at least had the parents but, just a feeling.

I do hope you know that we all have your best interest at heart here David. I really, really feel that you and a young rescue dog are the right thing - I can see it and I know you would be the best darn thing for a dog like that and he for you.


I sure do, Deb and appreciate everyone on here immensley.

dont go see the puppies... you are a marshmallow in Tom Seleck clothes!


Loool...Did you evermore hit the nail on the head, Deb! Looks like you've got my number.:SMILE: Ginger and Lucy sound great but Ethel? I'd see Archie Bunker everytime she was around.

As for boys, what about Rufus or Bobby Lee?

If you are going to move, it is easier to pack, etc. without a dog worrying about the move.

How is the house hunting near your sister?


That's what is always in the back of my mind, Merrie. My sister's still looking and has asked a couple of realtors to call her before they put any house close by on the market. I liked the last place we looked at but, I think she believes four blocks is too far away and didn't pursue it much after I left!! She' wanting me within rock throwing distance I believe. Something will transpire, I'm sure of if.

[bunnybutts]

:BIGGRIN" I vote Bobby Lee

any good old southern boy (or girl for that matter) must have two names

Bobby Lee
Ricky Bobby
Robby Jay
Bobby Gene
Danny Harrison
Jackie Dale
Barry Scott
Eddie Vincent

need I go on??????:WINK:

[CorgiMum]

I vote for the name Bobby Lee too.:SMILE:

My Mr. D has two names as well, Dyl Bob, and we are sort of southern I guess, we live in the southern part of British Columbia.:TWITCHY:

[corgimom]

I just got in and decided to call this lady about her puppies myself. She told me basically the same info I was told earlier but, I asked her if they had their Parvo or distemper shots yet and she said no. I also asked if she knew anything about their parents such as their health, OFA rating on their hips and other heath questions. She had no idea what OFA was but did say she had the Mom and Dad as well as the "grandparents" with them. She new nothing of what hip displasia was when I told her about 16% of Corgis had this to one degree or the other.

I asked about their tails and she said they had been bobbed with they were just a couple of days old. I asked about the parents being affected with Von Willebrand's disease and she drew a blank on that as well.

She did concede to meeting me if I had problems finding their place, which I probably would. I'm very tempted to go see them Fri-Saturday but, I know I spend way too much time away from home to have a 7 seek old puppy having to be away about eleven hours a day.



I think seven weeks is too early to be separating them from each other and her Mom especially. That's where they get their early training and need to be with siblings a little longer, IMO. I just don't know about this.



I think it was in the paper, Barbara.

David,


Personally I would be concerned with the fact that this woman has no clue about hip dysplasia or the OFA rating or vWD - what about the eyes being checked on the parents also? - also, she mentions that she owns both parents and grandparents - do you know what the relationship is between these dogs(how closely are they related)?

I would want to see documentation on paper that the parents have a passing
OFA rating - I would not take her word for it.

I find her lack of knowing anything about these things a "red flag" to me.

[ColColt]

any good old southern boy (or girl for that matter) must have two names


But of course!! Billy Joe and Woody Dean are a couple of others!! I've always like Woody for a male (sans Dean). Of course, we couldn't leave out Ol' Blue either.

Maybe Iva Lee or Ula Rae for a girl...yeah, that's a good one. Margie actually had a sister-in-law named Ula Rae and when she told me about her, I thought she was kidding...she wasn't!

Bonnie, I've decided I should stay away from seeing the pups. I'd be jello if I did as I know me and might talk myself into having company that night if I did. I got leery after a few things we talked about and think I'd be better off going to Debbie by far.

[mtoy]

But of course!! Billy Joe and Woody Dean are a couple of others!! I've always like Woody for a male (sans Dean). Of course, we couldn't leave out Ol' Blue either.


Oooooo, a boy named Blue....or Woody....ow, those are great names!

[Fluffypants]

Bonnie, I've decided I should stay away from seeing the pups. I'd be jello if I did as I know me and might talk myself into having company that night if I did. I got leery after a few things we talked about and think I'd be better off going to Debbie by far.

You are a smart - and strong! - man David!!!!:NOTWORTHY:

[LaRositaMonita]

Bonnie, I've decided I should stay away from seeing the pups. I'd be jello if I did as I know me and might talk myself into having company that night if I did. I got leery after a few things we talked about and think I'd be better off going to Debbie by far.

Good choice...the right doggie will find you. It's in the process of finding me :BIGGRIN"

[ColColt]

You are a smart - and strong! - man David!!!!

Ugh...Me big, bad Bwana (beats chest loudly).:BIGGRIN"

I have to be a realist, Jessica. I know my little pumper would turn to mush if I were to see them and hold that little furball it would be all over. So, you don't jump in a hole filled with rattle snakes just to see if you'll get bit or not...I'm not that strong!

In time, Heather, it'll happen for us both.:CUTE:

[glencorgi]

I've been monitoring the thread and there has really been nothing for me to add. All I will say is, well done David and I am very proud. :CUTE: When the time is right and you are ready, the magic of the fey will cast its spell.

Debbie

[Squeaker]

So...if it's a boy, I'd be going for Rufus, and just because my husband is also called David, that's what you've gotta choose! :BIGGRIN"

[ColColt]

When the time is right and you are ready, the magic of the fey will cast its spell.

Well, I must have missed this earlier...thanks Debbie, I'm sure it will!

I probably won't get a choice in a name because if you're getting a rescue, like I probably will, I won't be changing the name since it may confuse him/her.

[Squeaker]

For what it is worth, David, we changed our first corg's name shortly after we got her because we didn't particularly like her original name. She was around two years old at the time and she appeared to have no problems with it. I think that dogs (or cats, for that matter) who go into a new environment are particularly open to all types of newness.

Not that I'm trying to convince you, or anything.... :)

[Jespah]

I agree with Squeaker David, if you use the new name often and consistently they will adapt to it very quickly. When I got Jemma at 7 months of age she was called Felicity - it didn't take her very long at all to be Jemma.

[CorgiMum]

David, although I've never had experience in renaming a dog, I was thinking about all the many different nicknames that I have for Montrose & Dylan. And they do come when called by anyone of them, so I too think it would be fine if you get a rescure and want to rename him.

[glencorgi]

David, don't worry about a name change. I usually keep the name a rescue came with and leave it up to the new home to decide if they want to change it or not. Never been a problem with the corgis, regardless of age, adjusting to a new name.

Debbie

[ColColt]

When I got Jemma at 7 months of age she was called Felicity - it didn't take her very long at all to be Jemma.

I can understand why!! Now as for Rupert-well, it doesn't get any better!

I suppose a name change is no big thing to a dog since they don't call each other Ralph or Betty when they interact. Only we humans give them names. I answer to David or Dave...doesn't matter to me which.

BTW- in case anyone has ever wondered where the Col. Colt came from, when I was in the army as a special agent with the rank of Colonel, I carried classified documents from Hanau, Germany to Stuttgart and Frankfurt and had to carry a .45 Auto with me. The Col. Colt was my code name and that's how I was addressed at the Comm Center. Sort of a James Bond thing...

NOT!!!

Had you going for a while didn't I? In reality, I was in the Army and I did carry classified documents under the protection of a .45 and did travel around but, I wasn't a Colonel. The nickname was tagged by a fellow co-worker back in the mid '70's as I was a Western arms aficionado back then and had a particular affinity for Col. Sam Colt's old Peacemaker 45 Colt. They started calling me Col. Colt and it stuck for years.

[disraeli ears]

David,

Good thing you didn't go see those pups - anyone would turn to mush after seeing a Corgi pup!! +WUBCLUB+

[CorgiMum]

I suppose a name change is no big thing to a dog since they don't call each other Ralph or Betty when they interact. Only we humans give them names. I answer to David or Dave...doesn't matter to me which.

BTW- in case anyone has ever wondered where the Col. Colt came from, when I was in the army as a special agent with the rank of Colonel, I carried classified documents from Hanau, Germany to Stuttgart and Frankfurt and had to carry a .45 Auto with me. The Col. Colt was my code name and that's how I was addressed at the Comm Center. Sort of a James Bond thing...

NOT!!!

Had you going for a while didn't I?

Yes you did! :LAUGH:

[MrsGrace]

Yes you did! :LAUGH:

He had me going too!! :TWITCHY:

[ColColt]

Yep, yep-I've still got it!!

Good thing you didn't go see those pups - anyone would turn to mush after seeing a Corgi pup!!

Oh, I know only too well, Tana. I have several books here with the most gorgeous pups you ever saw and I've seen those posted here and there on the Internet that would melt a bronze statue of Scrooge. I think I could hold one all day long. After just thirty minutes it would probably take two wrestlers to get the grin off my face.

[taflar]

I just received a call at work from my ex-wife that somoeone has four " Pembroke Corgis" that are five weeks old-three males and one female, have their tails bobbed already and are all tri-color.

I don't know of any breeders around here and don't know where this woman got them or if she indeed is a breeder herself. I'm not sure for myself I could handle a puppy being gone for ten hours a day. Maybe Thought Five or six weeks is a bit too early to separate them I think.

I'm catching up after being away at a show all last week.

5-6 weeks old is too young to be away from mom and litttermates. A puppy that young won't have learned what it needs to from being with mom and littermates. Bite inibition is one thing that is learned from littermates.

Tails are docked at 24 hours to 3 days old. So yes, they should have been docked by that age.

IMO, it's probably a breeder trying to unload puppies or make a quick buck. I'd pass on the whole thing.

Peggy