Standards for Cardigan

[MVons]

I've read the AKC but didn't grasp some of the physical qualities that make a show dog. Peggy referred me to this website. It is fantastic and I wanted to pass it on to all.
http://www.cardicommentary.de/cardi.htm

I love the photo taken from above of the waistline of a cardigan compared to a Pembroke. Cardis are well defined where Pembrokes are gradually tapered.

Merrie

[Dillydoodle]

wow, that is really amazing- what a comprehensive site! is there one like that for pembrokes i wonder?

Emilie

[MVons]

Peggy said she would be off her computer until Monday because of getting ready for a local show. She'd know.

Merrie

[Jespah]

That's it, short, no tail and gradually defined not tapered - yup, I'm definitely a Pembroke. :EEK:

[Lauren]

Great site!!

Amusing is a good word to use because the "Cardie" has a remarkable sense of humour. On the whole, I would not say that this is a marked characteristic of his Pembrokeshire relation, and it is one thing that separates the two types. The Cardie has a real sense of fun. You can laugh at him, or with him, and he will join with you. A Pembroke Corgi can feel hurt and will slink away in high dudgeon in a situation duirng which a Crdigan will behave like a clown."

This doesn't seem quite true to me. Granted I've never met a Cardigan (nope, never ever, and it irks me to no end) but I know all the Pems I've met live to make their people laugh and have a sense of humor I've never seen in another breed before.

Any thoughts?

[MVons]

Just use the site for physical characteristics it appears.

My cardi was the opposite, hide under my legs when any type human or dog clown was around.

Merrie

[Lauren]

My cardi was the opposite, hide under my legs when any type human or dog clown was around.

I've heard more often that Cardi's are more aloof than the Pems but just as loving towards their people. I'd love to meet (and possibly own) a Cardi one day, the more I hear about them the more I like them :SMILE:

I really like the comparisons on this site, it's definitally getting a bookmark from me!

[Jespah]

I've met a few Cardis in the past year - recently Sutulu's (Susan's) Lulu. She was very much like the Pems I know - mind you she is just one and may not have become the personality she will become. She fell asleep on Jessica's feet - and was giving old Jackie a good teasing with carrying around a toy she would not give up. Watching her with 4 other Pems all weekend she didn't seem any different to me. I thought she was quite a character and really liked her a lot - although she does have a funny high pitched bark!

[Crazy Cardis]

Dudley tends to be more aloof at first, and he gets his feelings hurt if you look at him funny. Maya tends to be more of a clown and way more stubborn than Dudley. Crazy Cardis and there differing personalities ;) I do like the site though.

[taflar]

wow, that is really amazing- what a comprehensive site! is there one like that for pembrokes i wonder?

See what I get for checking in one last time?. You guys have all kinds of questions tonight.

Unfortunately no, not yet anyway.

The site for cardigans was a long time in the making and was done by cardi breeders from around the world.

Peggy

[taflar]

This doesn't seem quite true to me. Granted I've never met a Cardigan (nope, never ever, and it irks me to no end) but I know all the Pems I've met live to make their people laugh and have a sense of humor I've never seen in another breed before.

Well, the first one we had, Laddie, we called him our "court jester". He had a way of looking at you, he had that "say what?" look he could give you that would just crack you up.

Yes, I think cardis have a different sense of humor than Pems do. Pems can make you laugh, but it's just not quite the same.

Peggy

[mtoy]

What a great site!

When I first talked with Link's breeder I asked what made him a "pet quality" cardi. She mentioned he had long hocks. I can see from the examples on that site that she is right, they are long. Reading on I see there is a condition called 'sickle hock", where they have a more severe angle (? i think?). Is there a way for me to know if he would have this condition? Can you tell by looking at him - and is it something that would show up as a puppy? He looks much more angled there than Millie.

[taflar]

What a great site!

When I first talked with Link's breeder I asked what made him a "pet quality" cardi. She mentioned he had long hocks. I can see from the examples on that site that she is right, they are long. Reading on I see there is a condition called 'sickle hock", where they have a more severe angle (? i think?). Is there a way for me to know if he would have this condition? Can you tell by looking at him - and is it something that would show up as a puppy? He looks much more angled there than Millie.

Yes, sickle hocks can show up as a puppy.

Many dogs just stand with their legs under them and don't streach out like they should. Might be sickle hocked and can't get the hocks perpendicular but might just be lazy.

Peggy

[glencorgi]

When our Jesse (CH Finecreeks Court Jester) was a 6 month puppy he had hocks we thought he'd never grow into, but he did. So it could just be a growth spurt and he may level out later on.

Debbie

[sutulu]

Just another view on the personality/temperament....

I've read the breed standard fro cardi and Pem and to this day, my two are pretty interchangeable. There are days when Lulu is a bit more reserved (Lulu reserved.....) but usually she enters yapping her head off as if to say "I'm Lulu and I'm here!". drives me nuts! She is a clown most of the time but then, so is Tucker. In Agility Class, Tuck would be desrcibed as the class clown, he is the comic relief.

Can Lulu ever hold a grudge! When I took her to Tuck's Agility trial she did not like being left in the pen while I ran him. She sulked and carried on all day.

I guess what I am trying to say is the things they say about cardis I see in Tuck at times, and Lulu will also behave like a pem at times.

Anyway you shake it, they learn from each other, monkey see monkey do, and I wonder if spending so much time together, if they don't develop their personalities to be similar.

Susan

[mtoy]

Yes, sickle hocks can show up as a puppy.

Many dogs just stand with their legs under them and don't streach out like they should. Might be sickle hocked and can't get the hocks perpendicular but might just be lazy.

Peggy

Ok, now I get it. Link has big hocks but he can, and does on occasion, stretch them out.

[mtoy]

When our Jesse (CH Finecreeks Court Jester) was a 6 month puppy he had hocks we thought he'd never grow into, but he did. So it could just be a growth spurt and he may level out later on.

Debbie

That's a possiblility, but he's had them since he was a baby, so maybe not. Either way it's ok with me, as long as he can move well.