AKC papers came through.

[CorgiMum]

Danny is a CKC registered dog and I also wanted him registered under the AKC so that we can compete in trials in the United States.

It took some paper work, some time, and a few $ too but his registration came back just fine.

Besides the 3 generation pedigree papers these are the pics that were required, one front pose, and one side pose.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/CorgiMum/100_0741.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/CorgiMum/100_0746.jpg

(2CrazyCorgis) Laurie had helped me decide on the proper forms to fill out. I was sure that it was the wrong paperwork and that the questions sounded very much to me like Danny was immigrating to the United States.:SHOCKED:
Laurie asurred me that if that was the case she would be willing to make a home for him at her house with Bella and Rudy! :TWITCHY:

Ok, we'll find out what happens on our return trip to Lynden WA in May.:WINK:

[Betsie]

Congratulations. Aren't the hoops the AKC make you jump through fun. Because Connor is a pet store puppy, I wanted to get him his PAL. Which is a limited registration. The first TWO times I sent it in I was told he wasn't a Corgi??? Then a friend helped me by saying he had come through rescue. No problem so now he has a AKC number. Mom just has to get him into the rally trials.

Betsie

[CorgiMum]

The only problem we had, other than the fear of him immigrating,:LAUGH: was that I did not get this 3 generation CKC pedigree papers when we brought him home. His wonderful breeder was ill, dementia, and was soon after living in a care home. I too forgot all about the required papers.

So, $40 to the CKC for the needed papers, then $50 to the CKC to send in the registration, with no guarantee.

But it's worth it, right Betsie?:WINK:

[LoveMySadie]

Congratulations Danny! You would always have a home in Fort Worth if you decide to jump the border. :WINK:

Betsie, what is a PAL registration? Sadie has never been registered...long story. What is PAL and what does it give the dog?

Leslie

[disraeli ears]

Danny with his "serious" face, applying for recognition from the AKC. :LAUGH: But then I look at his little smile on this month's calendar page and realize he's not ALL business! :BIGLAUGH:

[Anniesmom]

Congratulations Danny! Such a regal posture!

[jcj528]

Congrats, Danny and Barbara! Does that mean Danny has obtained a dual nationality?

+UFLAG+YAY, Danny!!+CFLAG+

[2CrazyCorgis]

Yay! Danny has dual citizenship!

:BIGGRIN"

[Bobbie]

It sounds as though you went for full registration allowing you to show him in conformation- but since you don't, is there some reason you didn't just get an ILP or its equivalent? It sounds as if it would have been cheaper and easier. In fact, I'm tempted to register Jack as a mixed breed as they have a special going and no requirement for proof of neutering (and I don't know if they expect pictures as I haven't checked it out that thoroughly.)

[sutulu]

So...... it sounds like he is ready to come to the National Specialty in Lancaster.......

[CorgiMum]

It sounds as though you went for full registration allowing you to show him in conformation- but since you don't, is there some reason you didn't just get an ILP or its equivalent? It sounds as if it would have been cheaper and easier. In fact, I'm tempted to register Jack as a mixed breed as they have a special going and no requirement for proof of neutering (and I don't know if they expect pictures as I haven't checked it out that thoroughly.)


Nope, we did the right form Bobbie, I called the AKC offices, twice to make sure. Plus it was the scoop form all the AKC dog people that I checked with too.

http://www.akc.org/pdfs/foreign.pdf

http://www.akc.org/pdfs/masterform.cfm

[CorgiMum]

Congratulations Danny! You would always have a home in Fort Worth if you decide to jump the border. :WINK:


Thanks Leslie. I've been on some nice AA non stop flights from YVR to DFW, I'm sure that Danny could make it to your house from there.:TWITCHY:

[CorgiMum]

Tana, I thought about submitting this pic, but then thought no.:ROLLEYES
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/CorgiMum/100_0138.jpg


Deb, I had him stack himself a few times, but I had to take so many shots because of the low sun making shadows on him he got pretty tired.

Julie, I'm not sure, will have to check.:WINK:

Oh, Goodie! Laurie says yes that he has Dual Citizenship. Humm, does that mean he can bring home my Bacardi duty free?:BIGGRIN"

[CorgiMum]

So...... it sounds like he is ready to come to the National Specialty in Lancaster.......

Not quite Susan!
:TWITCHY:

[Bobbie]

I have no doubt it was the right form for transferring a CKC registration. But for obedience you could have done an AKC Canine Partners registration, called him a mix, and paid $25 with no pictures or pedigree! Or $35 with pictures for an ILP/PALS. (I'm a little miffed at AKC right now over the fact that Canine Partners can be done online for $25 and PALS requires the whole snail mail/pictures route, but as I have yet to want to enter an AKC trial I won't worry too much about it.)

[CorgiMum]

I have no doubt it was the right form for transferring a CKC registration. But for obedience you could have done an AKC Canine Partners registration, called him a mix, and paid $25 with no pictures or pedigree!
Call him a mix, no thanks.:NAH:

http://www.akc.org/pdfs/mixedBreed/ADM001.pdf


Or $35 with pictures for an ILP/PALS. (I'm a little miffed at AKC right now over the fact that Canine Partners can be done online for $25 and PALS requires the whole snail mail/pictures route, but as I have yet to want to enter an AKC trial I won't worry too much about it.)

"PALS is not the equivalent of a AKC Registration".

http://www.akc.org/pdfs/ilpform.pdf

Things/rules change, and I don't want to ever be in the position that I can't enter him in an event when I want to without a hassle for the sake of $15 over the course of his entire lifetime. That just about buys him 2 toys.:SMILE:

[2CrazyCorgis]

Plus, if you had registered him as a corgi mix you wouldn't be able to do the B/OB match or the Corgi specialty! It's a hassle, but many things with AKC are. I do think they need to change the PAL program now that they have the Canine Partners program.

[CorgiMum]

Plus, if you had registered him as a corgi mix you wouldn't be able to do the B/OB match or the Corgi specialty!
:SHOCKED: We can't miss those!!

[Bobbie]

Oh, well, that's true, the corgi specialty, the match doesn't require registration does it?

I will probably ILP Jack if I get around to training him for Rally but I hate that I can't do it online- so I have to take digital pictures, print them, and mail them in, with $35 which is highway robbery so someone can say, Yeah, that's a corgi, and send me the paperwork.

[CorgiMum]

At least you can print the pictures on ordinary copy paper and just cut to the approximate size.

[Jaxerspal]

Danny is quite the international playboy now!:BIGLAUGH:

[disraeli ears]

Tana, I thought about submitting this pic, but then thought no.:ROLLEYES
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/CorgiMum/100_0138.jpg



Well, this picture is a lot more fun!:BIGGRIN"

[Bobbie]

Now that Danny has dual citizenship, are you going to let him decide if he wants to live with you or come live with Jack? (And me, of course.)

[thebeach.corgi]

Congratulations, Danny! +CHEER+

If you and Danny ever fly into Philadelphia, there are a lot of C2bCers to visit. Bet we could easily throw together a corgi party.
+BALLOONS+ +BALLOONS+ +BALLOONS+

[2CrazyCorgis]

Oh, well, that's true, the corgi specialty, the match doesn't require registration does it?

I will probably ILP Jack if I get around to training him for Rally but I hate that I can't do it online- so I have to take digital pictures, print them, and mail them in, with $35 which is highway robbery so someone can say, Yeah, that's a corgi, and send me the paperwork.

That's true, the match is for Pembroke Corgis only, but as long as your dog looks like a Corgi, no one checks. :SMILE:

That is strange that you can't do Jack's ILP online, it seems like it would be easier for everyone. I think I paid at least $35 to register my dogs. I don't really think that's too bad. I'm applying for Rudy's agility numbers and it's $22 for CPE and $15 for NADAC, so everyone has their fees I guess. I like that AKC tracks titles online in a timely manner and they mail me their title certificates for free within a month of earning them.

[CorgiMum]

Now that Danny has dual citizenship, are you going to let him decide if he wants to live with you or come live with Jack? (And me, of course.)
:LAUGH:

My goodness Dan The Man certainly has a lot of offers. I better not let him see this, he might get swayed. And he does love to play with Jack.

Connie, if I ever go east again I will let you know.:BIGGRIN"

[CorgiMum]

Well, this picture is a lot more fun!:BIGGRIN"

I don't know what they would want me to register him as if I sent that picture of Danny in.

Are ant eaters AKC?:TWITCHY:

[Jespah]

Well congrats to Danny! Hope he enjoys his dual citizenship - good luck to you both in your endeavours! +CHEERS+

Deb

[CorgiMum]

Thanks Deb.:SMILE:

[corgimom109]

Congratulations, Danny! +CHEER+

If you and Danny ever fly into Philadelphia, there are a lot of C2bCers to visit. Bet we could easily throw together a corgi party.
+BALLOONS+ +BALLOONS+ +BALLOONS+

My three and I would be happy to help throw together a party. We all like meeting people and corgis.

[corgiland]

Congratulations to you Danny!

You look so handsome in your pictures!

[taflar]

In fact, I'm tempted to register Jack as a mixed breed as they have a special going and no requirement for proof of neutering (and I don't know if they expect pictures as I haven't checked it out that thoroughly.)

No requirement for proof of neutering on a mixed breed dog? Are you sure?

You know I'm not in favor of registering a dog you know is a purebred as a mixed breed just to save a little money. Nor am I in favor of trying to register a mixed breed as a purebred.

There's a dog around here that has an ILP. Owner swears he's a Cardigan. And well, not IMO. Not when myself, my husband and a friend, who have all owned purebred Cardis had to ask her what breed he was. I have no idea who at the AKC was looking at the pictures and approving things the day his paperwork went through but they were NUTS!!

So please register the dog as what he is and pay the appropriate fees.

JMO,
Peggy

[taflar]

Nope, we did the right form Bobbie, I called the AKC offices, twice to make sure. Plus it was the scoop form all the AKC dog people that I checked with too.

I think being CKC registered has something to do with it too.

Peggy

[taflar]

I have no doubt it was the right form for transferring a CKC registration. But for obedience you could have done an AKC Canine Partners registration, called him a mix,

WHY would you want to do that? Why misrepresnt a purebred dog??? IMO, that's a disservice to the breed.

but as I have yet to want to enter an AKC trial I won't worry too much about it.)

If you're not intrested in AKC trials then why even worry about any AKC registration or listing?

Peggy

[Bobbie]

No requirement for proof of neutering on a mixed breed dog? Are you sure?


On the online form you just have to swear you've had the dog neutered- no proof submitted. They can throw you out at the trial if it is obvious you haven't- but that would be for males, mostly.

No, I'm not being serious about doing it, but it irritates me no end that they have a lower price for mixed breeds than for ILPs, even if it is just for a limited time. Not to mention lower standards (no spay/neuter certificate.)

[taflar]

Oh, well, that's true, the corgi specialty, the match doesn't require registration does it?

Some do. Regular "fun matches" do not. Some scantioned matches do.

Peggy

[Bobbie]

As for registering a rescue as mixed breed- some cat rescues and I imagine some dog ones too, though I don't know of any specific dog rescues that do this, require any stray to be listed as a mix. (For example, the Maine Coon rescue here.) Their policy is that they won't call anything purebred when the parentage isn't known. And as I've seen some known mixes that looked like purebred somethings (sometimes look like Labs and are known to be two different breeds, one was a poodle/terrier cross that looked like a wire-haired Dachshund) that isn't so unreasonable a policy. We are usually fairly sure with corgis, but with some of the dogs it is hard to tell. Mix or purebred? I've also seen purebreds turned down for ILP because they weren't too close to the standard.

[taflar]

On the online form you just have to swear you've had the dog neutered- no proof submitted. They can throw you out at the trial if it is obvious you haven't- but that would be for males, mostly.

You lie to the AKC they don't just throw you out, they suspend your privleges and you're not allowed to show ANY dog that's registered or listed in your name. The AKC has rules and they expect people to follow them.

I understand about females. You can't readily check to see if a female has been spayed. No real way to tell without a vet's statement that he did it.

No, I'm not being serious about doing it, but it irritates me no end that they have a lower price for mixed breeds than for ILPs, even if it is just for a limited time. Not to mention lower standards (no spay/neuter certificate.)

Why does that irritate you? The lower price is to get people intrested and start using the mixed breed listing. And geez, why not a lower price for mixed breeds, it's not taking as much work if no one has to look at the pictures and decide if the dog is really a purebred dog or not. I can see why they might have a higher fee for an ILP/PAL as opposed to the mixed breed listing. Still IMO, they should ask for proof of altering on a mixed breed. (Then again they don't ask for my opinion.... )

Peggy

[glencorgi]

I have no doubt it was the right form for transferring a CKC registration. But for obedience you could have done an AKC Canine Partners registration, called him a mix, and paid $25 with no pictures or pedigree! Or $35 with pictures for an ILP/PALS. (I'm a little miffed at AKC right now over the fact that Canine Partners can be done online for $25 and PALS requires the whole snail mail/pictures route, but as I have yet to want to enter an AKC trial I won't worry too much about it.)

There was a similar "deal" on price when ILP was changed to PAL. It was all a part of encouraging interest in the "new" program.

And there is no price difference between a full registration and a limited registration with AKC. Barbara did the ethical and right thing <IMO>. Not only can she be proud of the titles they earn as a team, it is also a nice way to honor his breeder as those titles will reflect on her and her breeding program too. Nice tribute.

On the specialty opportunities, besides the performance/companion events side; Barbara could also show him in the Altered Class in conformation if it is offered.

On the other side of ethical, I do know of a corgi rescuer who came to the decision she didn't want to pay the price for a well-bred corgi which could and would have taken her everywhere she aspired in performance events. She did end up with a mix (definitely a mix) and decided to ILP/PAL him as the breed she was initially wanting a puppy of and go from there.

Identification on the ILP/PAL, I think it pretty much boils down to whomever is sitting behind the desk on the day and what kind of day they are having. I have worked AKC information booths with some of their clerical staff, and well - let's just say they weren't dog people that's for sure. They shouldn't be sitting at the PAL desk though.

I did pick up a pamphlet on the Mixed Breed program at the dog show last Saturday and of course can't find it. As I understand it, the dogs are supposed to be neutered, but they don't "require" proof like with the ILP/PAL which is a little disconcerting. I'm just going to wait and see how well it flies.

Debbie

[2CrazyCorgis]

I understand it is tricky to get a CKC number for a dog who has a limited registration with AKC. Barbara will have to help me out if I ever want to bring Bella up to do any CKC events!+WUBCLUB+ Rudy's registration isn't limited (even though he is now neutered), so I think that makes it easier.

[Bobbie]

Well, regardless of registration issues, I'll be glad to see Danny show stateside! And Jack may join him if I get him trained enough to make it worth the $35 and entry fees.

[CorgiMum]

Well I am very sure that you can train Jack enough to make spending $35 worth while!:BIGGRIN"

And Bobbie, for the $ that I have spent to date on Danny's education he should be getting VERY high scores all the time!!:LAUGH:

[Bobbie]

If $$ were all it took for high scores, there would be many, many more of us getting them!

[CorgiMum]

The day of Danny's first trial, we were told by a fellow that some one in Chilliwack had won the Lottery. 14M I think it was. I told Gary, if it's us, we are still staying here and doing all of our trial entries. Because you can't buy health, love or a CD!!:LAUGH:

[Bobbie]

For 14M you could get a lot of NQ's on the way and still get your CD...

[CorgiMum]

Maybe. :BIGGRIN"

But Bobbie, you know me well enough to know that I would want to have Danny & I earn it.:WINK:

Gary did say "Think of the trainers that you could hire!" And you know what, that showed me just how happy I am training Danny myself, and the trainers that we work with. Because I said, "No, I would keep doing just what I am doing now".:SMILE:

Mind you, I would be flying all over the place and attending some super seminars!

[Bobbie]

You would earn it... but you wouldn't run out of money along the way...

I think I spent the most on Pippin's CD... she got her two legs, then for ten trials in a row, she didn't stay on the recall, just trotted across the ring with me. (Something I could not reproduce in a practice or match.) Finally she stayed and we finished her title!

Mandy (also a Lab) did hers in four trials, Brother in about five or six... pheromones kept tripping him up as he was unneutered and lost his head at the spring specialty where he should have finished his CD.

I've never been brave enough to try with a corgi.

[Kassie]

Congratulations to Danny in getting his dual citizenship!
+CFLAG+ +PUP++UFLAG+

He's always welcome in Indiana Too!

[CorgiMum]

Thanks Kassie, if we do win the Lotto I know that we would be making a trip around the world visiting all of our C2bC friends!

[taflar]

As for registering a rescue as mixed breed- some cat rescues and I imagine some dog ones too, though I don't know of any specific dog rescues that do this, require any stray to be listed as a mix.

I don't understand this. How can they REQUIRE that you register an animal as a mix? The registeries might just have different rules and those are the rules you need to go by.

Their policy is that they won't call anything purebred when the parentage isn't known.

Well, IMO, that's dumb. However, a Maine Coon cat can look like a cat. A persian or a siamese look like a persian or siamese. And I have a Maine Coon, my fourth purebred Maine Coon. Most people don't know they're purebred unless you tell them.

And as I've seen some known mixes that looked like purebred somethings

Sometimes but not always. Most purebred corgis (both breeds) can be identifed as purebred corgis by breeders and most owners.

(sometimes look like Labs and are known to be two different breeds, one was a poodle/terrier cross that looked like a wire-haired Dachshund)

It depends on who's doing the identifications - who ID'd the poodle/terrier cross? Did they know for sure there wasn't wire haired dachshund in it?

We are usually fairly sure with corgis, but with some of the dogs it is hard to tell. Mix or purebred? I've also seen purebreds turned down for ILP because they weren't too close to the standard.

If you can't tell that's one thing. Those of us who have been doing corgi rescue for 25+ years can usually tell if the dog is a mix or a purebred.

And in this case YOU know the dog is a purebred and you're the one making this decision. So, IMO, it's just not right to register him as a mix when you know better.

Peggy