PDA

View Full Version : Poison Ivy


corgimom
04-15-2007, 10:25 AM
I sent a couple of emails regarding Poison Ivy and if Dogs react to it the same way we humans would and here are the responses I received. I was impressed that they responded. I was given permission to post the responses by Dr. DeBoer, Dr. Miller, and Greer.

This resonse below is from Dr. Douglas DeBoer, DVM ;Associate Professor of Dermatology at University of Wisconsin, Madison, School of veterinary medicine:


"Allergic contact dermatitis" is what you are talking
about, and it's very common in people but rare in dogs. In
part, this is due to protection by the dog's haircoat, so
the plant can't touch the skin, but in part, dogs just do
not react to poison ivy, latex, metals, concrete, etc. like
some people do, though we do not know why. There are a few
weird plants (lawn weeds) in Florida that some dogs are
reported to develop a sensitivity to, but that's uncommon
too.

It's not impossible, but most dogs if you rubbed poison ivy
leaves on their bare skin, would not react! On the other
hand, I've seen plenty of situations (including yours
truly, as I live in a rural area where my dog can sometimes
contact poison ivy) where the dog gets the 'oleoresin' from
poison ivy on their skin, then the owner develops a
hoirrible reaction from petting the dog! To my knowledge,
dogs will not develop a respiratory reaction either. "



This response below was from Dr William H. Miller, DVM; Professor of Medicine, Dermatology, Cornell University , school of Veterinary Medicine:

"Allergic contact dermatitis to any allergen is very rare in the dog. Under experimental situations, dogs can get skin lesions when poison ivy is applied to their skin. Sneezing should not happen. In the clinic, I've never documented a case of poison ivy in a dog so its got to be very, very rare. As far as dogs acting as a transport host so their owners get poison ivy when they pet the dog, it probably could happen but its very hard to prove."




This response was from Greer, In North Carolina, they do allergy testing and work with University Veterinary schools through the United States:


"Poison ivy/ poison oak sensitivity in humans is actually a type IV, cell-mediated reaction known as an allergic contact dermatitis. Unlike atopic dermatitis (atopy) which is a type I hypersensitivity in which we are testing for circulating allergen specific IgE toward pollens, mold spores and mites, Poison ivy allergic contact dermatitis is a reaction to the oils (not the pollen) of the plant. In simple terms, allergic contact dermatitis is a different type of immune reaction than allergies to environmental allergens.

Animals can have allergic contact dermatitis to certain plants, topical medications, ect. In Allergic Diseases of Dogs and Cats the author states “in North America, poison ivy and poison oak are the most common causes of plant allergic contact dermatitis in humans but, to date, poison ivy and poison oak contact allergies have not been reported to occur naturally in small animals. “


In reference to the book mentioned above, by Greer, "Allergic Diseases of Dogs and Cats"; the authors of that book are Dr. Lloyd Reedy, Dr. William Miller, Dr. Ton
Willemse(all veterinary dermatologists)

bunnybutts
04-15-2007, 10:41 AM
Thanks Linda!

Last year my granddaughter, Leah had a horrible case of poison ivy on her face and neck. She had to take steroids for it... we wondered if it could have come from her habit of "loving" The Girls (ie rubbing her face all over their face and necks). And after reading your post it looks like that may be what happen...

Crazy Cardis
04-15-2007, 11:00 AM
What an interesting post. I've gotten poison ivy once in my entire life, when I was 20 years old. It was on my thighs and the best anybody can figure is that I picked up a kitten that had poison ivy on it and it transferred to me.

sutulu
04-15-2007, 11:03 AM
I have a poisen ivy patch in my backyard. Fortunately, after 2 years and battles w/ the dreaded rash, I've learned to recognize it.

It is right along my creek and one of the dogs' favorite places to play! I am sure I get it from the oil getting on them.

My MD told me that humans can build tolerance to poisen ivy, that's how farmers thru the years have lived in harmony with it.

I have had friends tell me no way can humans build tolerance to it.

All I know is I got it in the same exact spots as before but no where as much of a breakout and the duration was much shorter. Several times I got the "early signs" of a break out then it went away.

The Chipmunk's Mom
04-15-2007, 11:34 AM
I never had poison ivy until I moved to TN. Now I get it at least once a summer and have had it a few times this past winter. Our front corner of the yard by the fence is loaded with it and vines are huge. I get it from the dogs after they play in that area. It is awful stuff. Although now as soon as I get one spot, I treat it with ointment the dr prescribed and it doesn't get out of control. Also, did you know that if you come in contact with poison ivy, you should wash with cold water only as warm water opens your pores and lets the oil in. :(

corgimom
04-15-2007, 11:40 AM
Susan,

I also read where humans can build a tolerance towards poison Ivy after a few contacts with it - may have to look for that info.

Fluffypants
04-16-2007, 09:25 AM
Just reading this thread is making me itchy! I hate poison ivy! :mad:

You know, between this thread and the "poisonous plants" thread, I am starting to be glad that I don't have a yard, and Jackie is only outside under my close supervision! Just think of the trouble she could (and would) get into!!!! :rolleyes:

herdingdogs
04-16-2007, 01:35 PM
I never use to have a problem with poison ivy as a kid but became very allergic to it in my 20's. I'd love to think that I could build an immunity to it but I don't see that happening. While I'm pretty good at staying away from it (basically all things green)the dogs aren't so good about it and I usually get it every year from them. And even if I'm really good about watching where they go, I always seem to get it from a friends pet (you know I can't resist petting everyone. Never hear the pets could react to it though.

Linda

dcole
04-16-2007, 02:22 PM
Oh boy, me and poison oak are arch enemies!:eek: Our canyons around here are loaded with it, and it's very easy to pick up after a day of mountain biking. I am very sensitive (I WISH I'd build up a tolerance!) but I've found that if I'm consistent about wiping down with this stuff - Tecnu - after a day of crashing thru the brush, I won't break out:

http://www.teclabsinc.com/products.cfm?id=1F5604C8-9D05-4675-56129F6D83DF2417&section=1

Wonder if you could wash down a corgi with it? ;)

-Debi

corgimom
04-16-2007, 02:39 PM
That sounds like a neat product.

It does say you can apply it to your dogs coat with a cloth and then follow with a shampoo.


I have never been in contact with poison Ivy, but my sister in law did and it got on one side of her face :eek: it was awful the way she looked.

Dillydoodle
04-16-2007, 02:58 PM
I have never (knocking wood) had poison ivy. My husband had it once and that Tecnu stuff made it go away so much faster than any other thing he had tried. ( ivy dry is another product that works well according to one of his coworkers...)

I am lucky... i get huge mosquito bites as an allergic reaction to them ( they get HUGE and hard... i hate mosquitos! ahh but alas that is off topic sort of!

Fluffypants
04-16-2007, 03:07 PM
I have never (knocking wood) had poison ivy. My husband had it once and that Tecnu stuff made it go away so much faster than any other thing he had tried. ( ivy dry is another product that works well according to one of his coworkers...)

I am lucky... i get huge mosquito bites as an allergic reaction to them ( they get HUGE and hard... i hate mosquitos! ahh but alas that is off topic sort of!

Nah Em - just an expansion of the larger topic . . . annoying things that itch like a %$#@&%$!!!:eek:

ZdogZ
04-16-2007, 03:49 PM
Emilie ~ My 7-year old niece is also allergic to mosquito bites. Her bites get really huge. My sister started putting Tea Tree Oil (from Wal-Mart) on them and that really seems to help the itching and swelling. One draw back...that Tea Tree Oil stinks!

Dillydoodle
04-16-2007, 08:18 PM
is it a menthol kind of smell or mint? I will have to try that, i get huge welts from mosquitos...

Emilie