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MVons
06-05-2007, 12:19 AM
The girl

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z47/mvons/7weekgirl.jpg

The pretty boy

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z47/mvons/7weekHBK.jpg

Pretty boy trying to eat a rawhide, but the girl is nosing in

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z47/mvons/7weekHBKgirl.jpg

Big boy

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z47/mvons/7weekbigboy.jpg

The breeder also sent me a photo of the blue merle she got at the Nationals and I'm personally glad we didn't opt for one.
I just like brown eyes is all I can say when it comes to my puppy.

No determination on which puppy is mine. I sure couldn't choose at this point, but I have to confess I"m a little leary of the girl being
nicknamed "trouble', but I love her little half white ear.

I swear I sized these to be 5 inches or less, sigh.

Merrie

MissGambler's+Mojo'sMommy
06-05-2007, 12:24 AM
OH MY STARS!!!!!! I love the markings, and the nickname(Trouble), well, I would make that THE name. Sounds approprate for a Corgi. (And I'm glad your photos were true size, they just jumped out at you!)

bunnybutts
06-05-2007, 03:15 AM
all 3 are adorable! it would be hard to choose just one :BIGGRIN"

Dillydoodle
06-05-2007, 03:35 AM
all three are very very cute! Any word when you will know which one is yours? they are all just beautiful puppies... and i love the big photo size , i can almost smell the puppy breath!

Emilie

LaRositaMonita
06-05-2007, 04:47 AM
All I can say is...


AWWW!!!!

That big boy is tugging at me, but I'd take ANY of them! *convincing self very assertively that Mac does NOT need a playmate this summer....*

corgimom
06-05-2007, 04:57 AM
They are all beautiful Merrie, I would have a hard time choosing. They have the sweetest faces. I will say however that I am a big fan of the blue merles also.

Lauren
06-05-2007, 05:40 AM
+WUBCLUB+ I want one. Really, really bad. Right now. *pouts*

Penutsma
06-05-2007, 05:41 AM
Looking at those photos, I know which one I would want! "Trouble"! She would be perfect around here.....LOL

glencorgi
06-05-2007, 07:24 AM
Beautiful puppies. "Pretty Boy" has a very sweet and mellow type expression - looks to be a very loving puppy. "Trouble" - definitely would need a name change to something more mellow she can grow into. :WINK: "Big Boy" looks up, alert and ready for mischief. Hard decision, the big question is what type personality and temperament is best for your family?

Debbie

Fluffypants
06-05-2007, 08:49 AM
As far as cuteness goes . . . you can't go wrong with any of them Merrie! They are all absolutely precious. How nice that you can just sit back and let the breeder pick the right temperament for you without having any disappointment. I'm so excited looking at these pics . . . and it's not even my puppy! :CUTE:

Artos
06-05-2007, 08:54 AM
Beautiful pups. I like the huggable big boy.

I'd love any dog with the name 'Trouble'!!
Only worry I'd have is -can she live up to that name? :LAUGH:

disraeli ears
06-05-2007, 09:20 AM
Oh, they are all so cute! :CUTE: It would be hard to pick. I like the nickname "Trouble" for the girl, though. And her ear is cute.

sutulu
06-05-2007, 10:18 AM
The puppies are adorable. They look so healthy and happy.

A neighbor took in a stray cat when I was growing up. He was an older man and while the cat was looking for a home in the neighborhood, every time he saw the cat he would say "here comes trouble". Trouble stuck, that's what they called the cat.

Old Trouble was an orange tabby and was a great cat.

Merlincorgi
06-05-2007, 10:24 AM
They are, of course, all adorable... but I have to admit my preference based just on the pictures leans towards Pretty Boy. What eyes he has!!

MrsGrace
06-05-2007, 10:28 AM
Gah!! Warning indeed!!! I love them all.... *fever*

manymuddypaws
06-05-2007, 11:56 AM
oh my....is all I have to say...

-amanda

ColColt
06-05-2007, 03:16 PM
I thought I was looking at big pictures of Mac there for a minute. I think you should take the boy, Merrie and Heather can get the girl for mac!!:LAUGH:

taflar
06-05-2007, 03:50 PM
No determination on which puppy is mine. I sure couldn't choose at this point, but I have to confess I"m a little leary of the girl being nicknamed "trouble', but I love her little half white ear.

Oh, wow how cute!!! I'd be leary of a girl nicknamed trouble too! There's a reason I'm sure. (And remember dogs tend to grow into their names....)

Personally, the boys grabbed my attention. Can't decide between the two, but thinking big boy has a little more of my attention.

Peggy

taflar
06-05-2007, 03:51 PM
Only worry I'd have is -can she live up to that name?

Why would you want her to? Why ask for a dog that is trouble?

Peggy

CorgiMum
06-05-2007, 03:57 PM
Sweet all of them, but I lean towards the males, can't decide which one though.

Oh ya, I'm not getting one anyways.:D

Penutsma
06-05-2007, 04:31 PM
Why would you want her to? Why ask for a dog that is trouble?

Peggy

She would fit right in around here :BIGLAUGH: We are all trouble - hence the Sampson and Delilah names.... I love it!

MVons
06-05-2007, 07:25 PM
I'd be leary of a girl nicknamed trouble too! There's a
Personally, the boys grabbed my attention. Can't decide between the two, but thinking big boy has a little more of my attention.PeggyJust to update, the breeder is keeping one of the puppy and she said she'll decide a couple days before our pickup date and that it probably will be one of the boys. More reason for us to stay totally open. My husband is smitten by the big boy but he'll love any puppy we get, how could one not? The girl is called trouble because she gets into things, she was first out of the box. But when I think about other personality traits I can't deal with, I realize we may be a family that could handle trouble because we are focused on the dog. By the way trouble would be called April, and if we got the boy it would be Chester.

I can just see the big question, June 23rd, which puppy are we getting. My son is groaning in agony of the big question. You see we are a family that plan ahead and this forces us to be flexible.

Merrie

LaRositaMonita
06-05-2007, 07:28 PM
Just to update, the breeder is keeping one of the puppy and she said she'll decide a couple days before our pickup date and that it probably will be one of the boys. More reason for us to stay totally open. My husband is smitten by the big boy but he'll love any puppy we get, how could one not? The girl is called trouble because she gets into things, she was first out of the box. But when I think about other personality traits I can't deal with, I realize we may be a family that could handle trouble because we are focused on the dog. By the way trouble would be called April, and if we got the boy it would be Chester.

I can just see the big question, June 23rd, which puppy are we getting. My son is groaning in agony of the big question. You see we are a family that plan ahead and this forces us to be flexible.

Merrie

On the other hand, with the same pickup date, we're in agony for the opposite reason! We have known Mac was our baby from about the time he was two weeks old... that's going on 8 weeks of knowing he was ours but being so far away from him! We're going a little crazy :)

2 1/2 more weeks to go...! 18 more days!

Artos
06-05-2007, 07:41 PM
Why would you want her to? Why ask for a dog that is trouble?

Peggy

I like naughty, mischievious dogs with attitude. The sort that will challenge authority off and on.

We had a German Shepherd/Alsatian called Mischief (aka Miss Chief- she was the alpha) and another - a boy called Dogmatix. We had a corgi named Twerp ('Tabitha the Twerp').They lived up to their names. We loved them,really enjoyed having them and I miss them.

Mischief had slipped disc when she was around 10 years old-around 1995...Dogmatix had stomach torsion suddenly one night in the early 1980s. Twerp died of lymphoma when she was about 9. That's 4 years ago.

MVons
06-05-2007, 07:43 PM
On the other hand, with the same pickup date, we're in agony for the opposite reason! We have known Mac was our baby from about the time he was two weeks old... that's going on 8 weeks of knowing he was ours but being so far away from him! We're going a little crazy :) 2 1/2 more weeks to go...! 18 more days! So your wait is like a Christmas box sitting there and you KNOW what is in it but you can't touch it until Christmas Day. Wow, you have yearning which I hesitate to have in case I yearn for the wrong puppy. My son said your torture is worse! For me I always know what is in my boxes (I do the shopping) so my torture of not knowing what is in the box is worse. Amazing emotions. Our puppies won't have any doubt they are going to a loving family.

Merrie

MVons
06-05-2007, 07:50 PM
I like naughty, mischievious dogs with attitude. The sort that will challenge authority off and on. Thank you for putting into words what I attempted to tell my husband. We wouldn't do well with a dominant trouble dog. But do fine with a non-dominant trouble - curious dog. Our last dog got into trouble because she was so darn smart. She opened a latch hook gate! We did put slide bolts on our gates here. Yes we do miss our dogs unique personalities.

Merrie

Artos
06-05-2007, 08:51 PM
Thank you for putting into words what I attempted to tell my husband. We wouldn't do well with a dominant trouble dog. But do fine with a non-dominant trouble - curious dog. Our last dog got into trouble because she was so darn smart. She opened a latch hook gate! We did put slide bolts on our gates here. Yes we do miss our dogs unique personalities.

Merrie

Yes. A lot of my friends prefer non dominant dogs.

Maybe my dad (in his 80s) and I are different - we enjoy the troublemakers. Found that girl dogs are better at this than boy dogs.

Mischief was a well trained German Shepherd. But when I ask her to sit- she would sometimes give me the look that says," So what's my motivation to sit? Give me one... before I sit....". We were so close that I could read her mind- like when she saw a cat. I told her "Don't even THINK about it...!" and the look in her face was that of pure innocence and surprise: " How did you know, Mummy?" Haha.

Twerp the PWC was in our house for only 2 weeks. She was probably around 3 months old at that time....One day, I saw from the corner of my eye, this little pup circling my dad as he sat on his sofa chair, reading the newspaper. Without warning, she jumped up ( I kid you not. It was quite a jump) and nipped his elbow which was jutting out by the side of the chair. My dad let out a yell of shock and jumped out of the chair.

Now I have never seen a dog LAUGH. But I would have sworn that she was LAUGHING aloud as she ran gleefully around the table several times- with her mouth fully open, tongue hanging out,celebrating her victory...... It was hilarious. My dad couldnt stop laughing after he found out what happened.

When she was about six months old, I was away for a week. When I returned, my dad suggested that I let her stay in my room when I went to the bathroom. When I returned, I saw her sitting on my bed (she sleeps there with me when I am home).There was a pool of wee2 on the bed.
She wasnt repentant. She had this look on her face that said: " This is for leaving me for one WHOLE week. Serves you right!".

:LAUGH:

LaRositaMonita
06-05-2007, 08:55 PM
So your wait is like a Christmas box sitting there and you KNOW what is in it but you can't touch it until Christmas Day. Wow, you have yearning which I hesitate to have in case I yearn for the wrong puppy. My son said your torture is worse! For me I always know what is in my boxes (I do the shopping) so my torture of not knowing what is in the box is worse. Amazing emotions. Our puppies won't have any doubt they are going to a loving family.

Merrie

I don't really know or care which is worse... all I know is that it's going to be a LONG 18 days!

MissGambler's+Mojo'sMommy
06-05-2007, 08:58 PM
You guys awaiting your puppies have been comparing this to Christmas. Well, this is actually worse than Christmas for you, at least at Christmas if you couldn't stand the suspense, you could slit the tape and take a peek. (I did that every year, and I could not go through what you guys are, it would drive me nuts!)

LaRositaMonita
06-05-2007, 09:06 PM
You guys awaiting your puppies have been comparing this to Christmas. Well, this is actually worse than Christmas for you, at least at Christmas if you couldn't stand the suspense, you could slit the tape and take a peek. (I did that every year, and I could not go through what you guys are, it would drive me nuts!)

...or peek inside your parents' closet :SHOCKED:

taflar
06-05-2007, 09:07 PM
I like naughty, mischievious dogs with attitude. The sort that will challenge authority off and on.

A corgi that will challenge human authority is more than trouble. That is a problem dog. Challenging human authority should not be allowed. period.

Peggy

Artos
06-05-2007, 09:19 PM
A corgi that will challenge human authority is more than trouble. That is a problem dog. Challenging human authority should not be allowed. period.

Peggy

That is one opinion.
Different strokes for different folks.
Period.

dcole
06-06-2007, 03:36 PM
OMG Merrie, I just saw this thread! They are all SOOOOO CUTE!!! And each picture was cuter (is that a word?) than the last! You guys are going to be over the moon with whichever dog you get. :CUTE:

And Artos, I agree with you - I like a dog with a bit of attitude, too. In fact, Trouble (the girl) would probably fit in well in our household. Trevor is forever chasing the cats and giving them the business. It would be a change of pace to have that little girl come in and give him the business for once! :LAUGH:

taflar
06-06-2007, 03:56 PM
And Artos, I agree with you - I like a dog with a bit of attitude, too.

A bit of attitude is different from a dog who challenges human authority.

Artos said she liked one who would challenge authority at times. My comment was to that. It had nothing to do with "a bit of attitude".

Peggy

manymuddypaws
06-06-2007, 04:08 PM
Peggy, I disagree. Wicca challenges me all the time. I love it. And she's NOT a problem dog.
But prehaps before this becomes an "arguement"
What do you mean by challenge. I am thinking that what Artos was saying may be different than how you are interpreting it.

Now to be specific- by challenge I mean. "Wicca, Come" Wicca looks at me and walks away. "Wicca." Wicca takes a step towards me "good girl" Wicca takes off...this of course is while she is carrying around a large chunk of cheese she has stolen off the counter.

or another example. "No Bark." Bark, BARK, BARK. "Wicca." Bark bark bark, while dancing around. "Enough" Bark Bark Bark...until I catch her and then she suddenly remembers what No bark means.

Wicca was the "trouble" pup in her litter. She was forever beating up her siblings, chewing stuff up, playing chase me games, and rarely listening. She is a fabulous dog though and I love her to pieces. And yes, she has bit me...on the agility field- in the heat of the moment. Is that a problem? Why yes. Are we working on that. Yes, yes we are. Will she do it again. Not likely. Does she still challenge me? You bet.

taflar
06-06-2007, 04:13 PM
Peggy, I disagree. Wicca challenges me all the time. I love it. And she's NOT a problem dog.

I think you're right, we're thinking different things concerning "challenge". I mean a dog that challenges you for authority. One who is trying to take over the household. One who is fighting with you, snarls at you, NEVER listens. Ignores you all the time, looks at you as a lower ranking being.

A dog like this is a problem, usually becomes a biter. The type that ends up in the pound because they are "uncontrollable".

I have dogs with attitude too. But they don't challenge my alpha authority. That's what I meant.

Peggy

MVons
06-06-2007, 05:17 PM
Amanda it does sound like you enjoy a challenge:BIGGRIN".
Merrie

glencorgi
06-06-2007, 06:36 PM
I haven't met a corgi yet that didn't have a bit of attitude, it is just innate in the breed(s). So anyone with a corgi, pretty much has a dog with attitude.

Artos seems to have "trouble" enough with Trax and Barn - a puppy with tons of attitude, independent, in to everything all the time, busy, high energy, testing all the time - (oh wait, did I just describe Wicca Amanda :WINK:?) well, with the current dynamics between Trax and Barn, it'd be a disaster. Seriously, these type puppies are not for the average owner or first time corgi owner or a corgi owner who has had leadership issues with their current dogs. <IMHO> Wicca was placed correctly. She was placed with someone who was up for the challenge of Wicca being Wicca and enjoys directing the "energy" into constructive outlets. In other homes, Wicca would have ended up returned to the breeder (like one of the all time highest ranking Cardigan agility dogs was - twice I believe until she got into a home that was "up" to her) or in the pound. Happens all the time, check out http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=8573720

So while puppies nicknamed "trouble" or "pistol" (Heather just missed meeting her) might sound all cute and fun, they aren't the easiest of puppy's to live with, especially IF they don't have anything to do. That is why I asked Merrie what temperament and personality her family was up to and for.

Debbie

Artos
06-06-2007, 07:36 PM
Dcole and Manymuddypaws understood perfectly what I was talking about . I liked the specific example Manymuddypaws gave re how a corgi exhibits 'attitude' and the challenging of authority.
Thats precisely what I mean.

I sometimes hesitate to bring up issues re my dogs with international forums because people misunderstand and quote me as having 'difficult dogs' or not being in control of my dogs. It happened before and thats why I stopped visiting the other forum. My dogs are NOT troublesome and when I posted- it was to ask advice re the key issue of whether Barn should be allowed to topdog Trax. My issue is the 'crushing of the dogs' spirit'.
That was my PRIME CONCERN.

Maybe the cultural context on your side is different.
You have more problems with aggressive dogs than abused dogs in your society. Hence your major concern is about dog fights/lawsuits/breeding dogs with good temperaments etc.

In Asia-we have more abused dogs than aggressive ones. Dogs have very low or no status/value and are treated as such. Dog lovers who really care for dogs are not in the majority in our society. Aggressive dogs might be beaten into submission, abandoned, given up at a drop of a pin. I have seen too much of this taking place. Hence my concern about 'crushing' the dog's spirit with ultra strict/very controlling discipline.

In the other thread re Barn-Trax relationship-some of you were very worried about dominance / control /dog fights and kept at that issue. I had to keep saying - it is NOT my issue. It is extremely tiring to have to clarify over and over again my real concerns ('the crushing of the dog's spirit') and the dynamics between my dogs('can Barn be allowed to topdog Trax').

Please listen to what I am saying and not what what you think I am saying. I DO NOT have a major war zone in my home. They know I am mom (I refuse to be called 'owner'. Dogs are 'things' in our culture and calling myself 'owner' just reinforces the low/no status of the dogs) and I dont have to show them who's boss all the time. They know I am in charge. I enjoy them as they are...and I enjoy them a lot when they are naughty.

I have had dogs in our home for more than 50 years...so its not a new experience. Many of us in Asia live with our parents and grandparents even as fully grown adults. This enables us to maintain the family bond and take care of the older ones.

This is an international corgi forum.
Maybe its time to note the cultural differences.

MVons
06-06-2007, 09:27 PM
Besides cultural differences there can be language too. I remember the post on a water tank - here in our community that is a storage container for non-drinkable water, to be used to water your yard! Luckily there was a photo so I figured it out that it was a swimming pool.

Please continue to clarify when you realize our background interprets incorrectly what you write. We can't help to read and interpret to what we think you are saying because of our background. Also realize some of us don't have the gift of writing and explaining clearly what we think! Amazing we do communicate.

Don't give up on us and I apologize that you get tired of explaining. Some of us haven't traveled for years and I'm sorry to say my community is becoming less culturally diverse each year. As I just explained to one teacher I didn't move here to have my son attend a lilly white school and thank goodness his grade has some "minorities" but sadly not culturally diverse backgrounds. Because I can't travel right now I do enjoy reading about your cultural context and thank you for taking the time to do so.

Merrie

Artos
06-06-2007, 09:50 PM
Thanks for understanding, MVons.

The 'water tank' (for want of a better word) would be called a 'plastic fish tank' of sorts here as well- since fish farms have them to keep their stock. I think it might have been the first time anyone bought it for their dogs to swim in. The fish farm owner couldnt believe it when I said it was for that purpose.
It didn't quite qualify as a swimming pool...so I wasnt sure what exactly to call it. Ha.

Here is a video of what I meant by ' challenging authority '. This was taken some time ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d9tlXLrN40

I am having my breakfast by a low coffee table.
Barn jumps up and stands on my newspaper (which I am reading) and barks into my face. I tell him to get off and after some thinking.... he jumps down. Trax scolds us...rhythmically(I think he has obsessive compulsive traits!). I tell them to shut up. I shift the table accidentally(you notice that Barn 'jumped' at the movement. He isnt as 'macho' as he pretends to be in his barking. Ha). He jumps up again...this time- onto my sofa. Without thinking I tell him to 'get off my table'...He gets off the sofa...only to jump up again. I know my tone of voice isnt 'I mean business, kid...GET OFF!" . I admit that I was amused by his antics and was playing along with him.
He jumps on the table yet again.

Disobedient dogs. Yes.
Noisy. Yes.
Rude and bossy- absolutely.
But I love them like this.

MissGambler's+Mojo'sMommy
06-07-2007, 01:07 AM
Artos: First, let me start out by saying that nobody on here is intentionlly trying to offend you. My husband is Asian, born in Vietnam, and I know a little about the vast cultural differences of which you speak in the way that the two cultures raise their dogs, and the differences in the way the two speak, lol, my husband and I will have arguments for the rest of our lives over stupid disagreements simply because we meant something totally other than what the other heard. I love reading your posts, and posts from the other members from Asian countries. You have so much to share with us. I for one have been dying to ask what you and your fellow Singapore members feed your dogs, they all look so healthy and fit. Again, please don't take offense, and we do look at dogs differently and the dogs that you and the other Asian members have are EXTREMELY lucky.

bunnybutts
06-07-2007, 03:24 AM
[QUOTE Please listen to what I am saying and not what what you think I am saying. They know I am in charge. I enjoy them as they are...and I enjoy them a lot when they are naughty.

I have had dogs in our home for more than 50 years...so its not a new experience. Many of us in Asia live with our parents and grandparents even as fully grown adults. This enables us to maintain the family bond and take care of the older ones. /QUOTE]

Artos,
I do hope I did not offend you when giving example of Chloe and Emma's Alpha transition - I meant to show that it did not crush Emma's spirit and they are both OK with Chloe being over Em. Just as I feel Trax will be OK with Barns becoming the Alpha. I enjoy your input in our forum.

Chloe started barking when she heard Barns on your video. I call her "mouthy" when she barks and talks to me.

We were also very lucky to have parents next door and grandparents either living with us or very close by though out my childhood. My Son's were taken care of by their Great Grandmother (who lived next door to us)while I worked. She was a wonderful role model and a valued member of our home. I take care of my Granddaughter after school and some weekends. She is going to stay with her Great Grandmother for a week soon. Perhaps our differences are not as great as we sometimes feel.

Dillydoodle
06-07-2007, 05:11 AM
Thanks for posting that Artos... first off, I know what you meant by the other forum constantly arguing over semantics, and trying to beat their opinion into your head... it is one thing for someone to state their opinion and leave it alone when the two minds dont agree, and another to go back and forth constantly which is the part i dont appreciate. I understood what you meant about liking the challenge, having the dogs be spirited and retain their individual personality. I was glad Amanada posted what she did to help clarify. I really do love to have people from all over the world giving their view points and sharing their culture... i think people need to remember this is an international forum and some view points will differ, and there is nothing wrong with that... we should all be entitled to voice our opinions without it blowing up into constant arguemnts becuase someone doesnt like the term "guardian" or someone likes a challengeing fiesty dog and others don't...
Artos, I think you offer quite a bit here and I really enjoy having this site be international as i learn a lot from it.

Emilie

Artos
06-07-2007, 07:12 AM
Thanks MissGambler+Mojo’s Mummy, Bunnybuttsx2, Dillydoodle.
No, I wasn’t offended by what the three of you wrote.

Bunnybuttsx2:

I appreciated the input re the Alpha transition. It was helpful.
The reason why I mentioned the Asian practice of living with our parents is because I have stated that I live with my father and three dogs. In most Western cultures, grown up children do not live with their parents. Some might think that I am around the 20s age range….which I am not. Nowhere near there now. Ha.

MissGambler+Mojo’sMummy:

Thanks for sharing re your hubby.
Yes- cultural differences require more ‘translations’,’clarifications’ and background examples in the dialogue (dialog in USA English) process.

What my dogs eat:
1 Trax: vegetarian food as ordered by the vet (because of his skin problems) Zen Addiction Vegetarian kibbles, carrots, pumpkin,papaya, tofu, apples, yogurt (newest addition cleared by vet).
2. Barnabas and Marky: Eagle Pack Wholistic Select Anchovy, Sardine, Salmon kibbles
with daily variations of toppings: chicken, beef, fish, yogurt and leftovers of what we eat.
Actually they get 10% plus 3% tax on almost everything we eat at different times of the day. (including durians- yes, the weird smelling fruit that is prized by locals).

Dillydoodle:

Thank you for understanding and stating the difficulties so succinctly.Appreciate that.
I can understand that in some places, certain issues are really ‘hot’ and some words are ‘tainted’ because of contextual struggles. .
In other places, such struggles don’t exist and there are other hot issues we have to contend with which are more primary and urgent. We need to hear each other’s contextual struggles. We can support each other....as much as possible....but there is no need to impose the gremlins of our contextual battles on the other.

glencorgi
06-07-2007, 09:08 AM
I too understood completely. I remember your questions and incidents with the boys from GC. "Dog" as a language is universal - no semantics or cultural misunderstandings about it, their behavior and language is what it is. The problem arises when human emotions are applied to it, inserted into the dynamics trying to keep everything "fair." A well mannered, obedient and respectful dog no where means that a dog's spirit has been crushed and as was said, when one replaces another in ranking in the pack order, "feelings" don't get hurt.

While we are on cultural differences, is that a part of the reason the boys aren't neutered?

Debbie

Crazy Cardis
06-07-2007, 09:39 AM
Well, I just thought I would get back to the original point of the thread--those adorable puppies!! If I had to choose, I would probably pick big boy, but I learned with Dudley and Maya, it seems like you never get the one you had hoped for--which seems to work out for the best. I know how bad the wait is. I waited for months for Dudley--waited to find the breeder, for him to be born, for him to be chosen--it was terrible!!! Maya I had a much shorter wait, but it's still terrible. I can't wait to here all about your puppy stories and to get some much needed Cardis added to the forums :)

Artos
06-07-2007, 10:43 AM
While we are on cultural differences, is that a part of the reason the boys aren't neutered?

Debbie

I have three boys.
Both Trax and Marky are neutered.

Marky because he was a stray with a dog rescue organisation- we fostered him then adopted him. All dogs from the organisation are neutered.

Trax -because he was very aggressive and hyper when he came (owner gave him up because he chewed up their car's mud guard and the man in the house became allergic to his fur or to him...we dont know). The only reason for spaying him was because we were told that it would stop him from being that hyper and aggressive.

It changed nothing.

Hence when it came to Barnabas- there wasnt any reason for neutering him. He wasnt aggressive nor was he hyper. Even though he is a bit more aggressive nowadays- we know from Trax's experience that neutering wont make any difference. So I am not doing it.

glencorgi
06-07-2007, 10:54 AM
Trax -because he was very aggressive and hyper when he came (owner gave him up because he chewed up their car's mud guard and the man in the house became allergic to his fur or to him...we dont know). The only reason for spaying him was because we were told that it would stop him from being that hyper and aggressive.

It changed nothing.

Behaviors too ingrained and not redirected. Also likely some genetic components.

Hence when it came to Barnabas- there wasnt any reason for neutering him. He wasnt aggressive nor was he hyper. Even though he is a bit more aggressive nowadays- we know from Trax's experience that neutering wont make any difference. So I am not doing it.

I'll respectively beg to differ on neutering not making a difference. I've seen too many turn arounds with the rescues that come through my doors. The structure and "rules" around here are also contributing factors.

I was just curious if there were cultural influences involved such as not wanting to "de-masculinize" a male.

Debbie

Artos
06-07-2007, 11:09 AM
I was just curious if there were cultural influences involved such as not wanting to "de-masculinize" a male.

Debbie

For some - yes.
Not for me nor my dad.
We prefer girl dogs- they are smarter and tend to be more fiesty.
We got Barnabas because he was so cute and he was the only tri available. We did not want to get a sable and white because Twerp -our girl who died of lymphoma- was sable/white and she was irreplacable in our hearts.

MVons
06-08-2007, 12:41 AM
We did not want to get a sable and white because Twerp -our girl who died of lymphoma- was sable/white and she was irreplacable in our hearts.That is why I was so thrilled at this litter being brindle. Pepper was a tri with brindle tips and I didn't want the same. Deep down I worry that the girl will remind me or I'll compare her to Pepper. But I think the wait for the puppy will make it be more an enjoyable memory than comparison. We'd prefer a male just because it would be different from Pepper. I love the red brindle color and actually never thought I'd be able to get one. The dark brindle of big boy is neat too so yes, any of the puppies will do.

Is Dudley a dark brindle? His pink inside ears just kill me. Guess the inside of these puppy ears is part of the mystery!

This week flew by with all my son's school activities, baseball, and the volunteer luncheons I attended. Next week will be the same with the calendar looking full. My husband is busy on the weekends splitting our wood because puppy can't be outside during that and hubby would like to spend time with the puppy when he or she arrives. He splits and I stack it. It is great to be busy during a waiting time.

Merrie

Artos
06-08-2007, 01:00 AM
When will you know which pup you will be getting? Really like the BIG fella.
Cute.

MVons
06-08-2007, 09:56 PM
I just couldn't take seeing new pictures today so I didn't ask. I clarified more items and asked that she microchip the puppy because my Vet didn't sound confident to do it on a puppy - inexperience I think. Glad I called my Vet today and found that out.

I asked my breeder what color was inside the ears because of Dudley's cute pink and she said The black boy has black inside one ear and a big white stripe down the middle of the other one. The girl has white fringe on one ear and a little bit of white inside the other one.. the Brindle boy has brindle ears....

All sound adorable of course.

It may be as late as the day we go to know which puppy is ours. She believes she will know which one she is keeping a couple days before. It is tough for a breeder to know which will continue to develop into that ideal standard that appears to be as a puppy.

Merrie

Artos
06-08-2007, 11:27 PM
The one on your avatar looks nice....especially with the cheekily twitching tail!!!
ha.

Jespah
06-09-2007, 05:38 PM
That is why I was so thrilled at this litter being brindle. Pepper was a tri with brindle tips and I didn't want the same. Deep down I worry that the girl will remind me or I'll compare her to Pepper.

Merrie, I got Jemma at 7 months of age, only 6 weeks after my red and white girl Riley died, I was so afraid I wouldn't be able to take it emotionally, and that I would call her Riley all the time. I really only got her so soon because Rupert was in a depression and very lonely. I think the first week I called her Riley once as her little bottom was sticking out from under my bed like Riley's used to do. She is such her own little personality and character, that I have never really even thought she is like Riley physically or otherwise. I think you will be fine - everyone kept telling me how much it would help with my grief - I didn't believe them, but it did.

Deb

MVons
06-12-2007, 12:03 AM
Wouldn't you know it that the San Diego Meet up Corgi event in June is the day we pick up our puppy. I know we couldn't take our puppy until fully vaccinated, but the event is behind our old home - rental now and it would have been great to visit with the corgis. Sigh. Seems like patience is my middle name.

Merrie